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How early can roulette computers predict?
« on: November 28, 2011, 02:02:14 PM »
I've been asked some questions about misleading information published by someone. It is regarding roulette computers that dont talk vs computers that speak predictions.

My "basic" roulette computer gives vibrations instead of speaking, or beeps via wireless earpiece. This is the computer that players get for free. It can be adapted to give electric zaps although nobody has requested that. The user can clock the ball from any point on the wheel (but with reduced accuracy), and you dont need to clock the rotor. So you can get predictions just a second from ball release.

While it is made to sounds great by people selling such devices, I'll explain the reality of it:

Basic VB works on the principle of determining how many ball revolutions remain in the spin, and rotor orientation when the first reference number is taken. More directly, you take a reference number when the ball is at a certain speed, and compare that number to the winning number. Do that for enough spins, develop a chart, and apply the offset (distance from reference number to where the ball is landing most). Well thats just basic VB. Some of the problems with this are:

1. You dont measure rotor speed, so a slight variation in rotor speed can make a big difference to the rotor's orientation when the ball falls. Can you perceive a 200ms difference in rotor speed? No. And such a slight difference is all that is needed to screw your accuracy, especially if you are establishing timings from anywhere around the wheel.

2. You dont know the rotor speed, so calculating how far the ball will bounce with the different rotor speed is impossible. You can estimate it, but good luck.

Now imagine a roulette computer the allowed you to take timings from anywhere on the rotor, and didnt take any rotor timings. Could this possibly be "the most accurate computer"? No chance. This is what my free basic computer without audio does. For it to achieve accuracy, you need a rotor with consistently the same speed. If the rotor speed is different, you can use a feature to measure the rotor speed difference, but it takes a lot of skill and practise. It really is no comparison to my other computers (see to compare computers).

If you find someone claiming to have a computer that doesn't need rotor timings to make a prediction, and that it can prediction with ball clicks anywhere on the wheel, and that this computer achieves brilliant accuracy, it is hogwash. If you want to get a prediction about 1-2 seconds after ball release, such a computer is not the proper way to do it. I'll explain the proper way to do it:

Hybrid computer (] times revolutions of the ball and rotor INDEPENDENTLY at the same time. The green zero need only move a little bit, and the seed and position of the rotor is known. Because video framerate limits detection accuracy, it determines ball position and angle to correct. Predictions can be almost instantaeous from the moment of ball release - basically the time it takes to complete one revolution, and catch a glimpse of the green zero. And if that wasn't early enough, it can be adapted to recognize any number on the wheel.

Use two wireless devices where one clocks the rotor, and the other the ball at the same time ( uber version): This was demonstrated at the last public demo with recording at and it can do more. Say if you have a very slow rotor and need to clock 1/4 rotor. Even with a slow rotor, clocking errors with 1/4 rotor revolution will still have significant errors... unless you have two people clocking it at the same time. Then errors can be almost eliminated, and you get predictions by the time the rotor travels 1/4 revolution, whether zero is visible or not because you can clock both sides of the rotor.

So this illustrates the difference between a simplistic device with the seller hyping it up, and computers that do the job properly. The facts are simple and clear to anyone with a logical mind, which is why sellers of other devices compete by attacking me personally. On another note, be sure to see] if you've been misled with claims that mobile phones cant achieve accuracy with timings. Everyone from mike barnett to laurence scott uses mobile phone roulette computers, but they need modification first. Unfortunately some sellers put profits before truth, although its not uncommon as they're trying to profit.

PS - Players who want to know how to evaluate the deviation in ball revolutions from ball track deformations, and how early predictions can be to achieve accuracy, simply read,240.0.html