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Steve

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Contacted by a casino
« on: January 13, 2011, 04:20:54 PM »
Today staff from a European casino contacted me saying that computer players took almost $30,000 from one of their automated roulette machines, and they wanted to know if I would consult them as to how to detect such players. From what she said and the location, it was likely one of my teams. I found it quite amusing and responded:

I'm sorry but I'm one of the people that beat roulette for a living. I do not have an interest to help you catch people like my teams.

Also a few weeks ago I spoke to the main casino consultant in South America - he was asking me to sell him with a computer. I agreed but only to a very basic version, which is roughly the equivalent of forester's computer because I want to avoid showing full capabilities of the computers for as long as possible - it wont be possible forever though. Anyway he explained he used to be a player, but found there was more money in helping the casinos. I will never "sell out" like that - it's about much more than money. I did for a brief period offer to consult for casinos to assist them in uncovering bias that is usually missed, but that's because almost none of the players RELY on bias. There are just better ways to beat roulette.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 06:23:52 PM »
lol that is amusing, and an autowheel too good on the players :)

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 07:41:52 PM »
The modern auto wheels are, on average, harder to beat. The older ones are usually quite easy. Like the casinos, the wheel designers either dont fully understand what is possible, or arent doing their job properly. No doubt they are getting smarter though.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 09:01:28 PM »
Yea I now see how important and sensitive the information is that you provide and teach. I cant even use a cellphone at the table to txt someone, when I asked the dealer why he said its policy but ever since that team hit the Ritz a few years back security started to increase here.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 08:06:35 PM »
Well soon enough I'll be releasing an older version of my roulette computer for free. No doubt it will really get under the skin of the casinos. I reserve the latest versions of the computer for my players - they are far more capable.

I've sincerely achieved all I wanted to achieve with roulette, and it seems this year will be the last one for me so i can focus on other interests. Within the next few weeks, I'll make some announcements to reflect this.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 10:57:33 AM »
Fair enough, what will happen with current players though if you do depart, also would releasing the computer for free to the public be a good idea or is it existing players?

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 11:06:44 AM »
are you actually going to close sites or what? what about computer access codes?

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 12:02:48 PM »
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are you actually going to close sites or what? what about computer access codes?

I'm not sure about the sites. Everything is uncertain as I havent fully decided which course to take. But something will need to change because I've just closed some areas of business, and opened others so it also depends on how much of a time drain the new businesses will take. So far they are relatively hands-free. For sure some sites will need to remain open, like the wheel analysis software - that software is having some major additions over the coming months, and it will be so I dont need to provide anywhere near as much support. Speaking of which, of course support for existing players will continue. I just wont need to provide as much of it because of software modifications.

The aim of the software is to make application as simple and hands-free as possible. Current system players dont need to pay for this at all. The exception may be is if they want a WAP service subscription where they can get analysis from their mobile phone.

For the computer players, of course they still get codes. I wont be vanishing. I'll still have my partners, and will still occasionally accept new partners although rarely as I already have borderline too many - my partners for roulette application are still a major source of revenue for me. It's is the "sales" side of things that is changing. I'll still have the forums as roulette is and always will be a strong personal interest.

The free version of the computer is just nowhere near as capable as the full version. It will be the equivalent of near perfect VB (visual ballistic) application (basic VB techniques). So it's enough to cause the casinos some damage. For them to make winning impossible with it, the casinos will need to make changes to the game that ultimately will lose them money. And because there are far more losers in roulette than winners, changing the gave that way wont be financially viable for them. The free computer wont beat every wheel, but it will beat more than enough.

Anyway once I've decided on exactly what I want to do, i'll announce it soon enough.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2011, 10:48:43 AM »
if I had my way I'd close your sites and am sure the others would agree. having too much in the open isnt good for players

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2011, 01:11:12 PM »
There is nothing overly sensitive on the websites.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 11:07:58 AM »
Today staff from a European casino contacted me saying that computer players took almost $30,000 from one of their automated roulette machines, and they wanted to know if I would consult them as to how to detect such players. From what she said and the location, it was likely one of my teams. I found it quite amusing and responded:

I'm sorry but I'm one of the people that beat roulette for a living. I do not have an interest to help you catch people like my teams.

Also a few weeks ago I spoke to the main casino consultant in South America - he was asking me to sell him with a computer. I agreed but only to a very basic version, which is roughly the equivalent of forester's computer because I want to avoid showing full capabilities of the computers for as long as possible - it wont be possible forever though. Anyway he explained he used to be a player, but found there was more money in helping the casinos. I will never "sell out" like that - it's about much more than money. I did for a brief period offer to consult for casinos to assist them in uncovering bias that is usually missed, but that's because almost none of the players RELY on bias. There are just better ways to beat roulette.

Were you implying on the highlighted that you will keep proprietary info intact for as long as you can help it as long as it is in your control - while knowing full well that leaked intelligence and complete disclosure are inevitable, which is out of your control - or do you mean you will eventually disclose all your proprietary info when present endeavors don't prove lucrative anymore?

Thank you for your time, Sir.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2011, 08:46:54 AM »
The version I agreed to supply is very simplistic, and uses algorithms they already know about. Them leaking is not a concern. The more sophisticated versions do much more. I am concerned about leaks of the more sophisticated algorithms because it alerts them to parameters and conditions that are beatable - more beatable than they think.

With the non-electronic system, I'm not so concerned about leaks because the algorithms are on a server (www.roulettewheelanalysis.com) and reverse engineering them would be just about impossible.

I cannot guarantee the more sophisticated roulette computers wont fall into the wrong hands, although the devices use various measures of protection. So even if they get certain versions, they are unlikely to figure some things out. This is not 100% assured though - nothing is. There's nothing stopping them from pretending to be a legitimate player from start to finish.

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Re: Contacted by a casino
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2011, 12:45:50 PM »
Thanks.  From your response, I assume you don't plan on ever disclosing anything of value for as long as you're still around then?